Subject: Re: [Iptel] FW: [Enum] Summary on NoPSTN dicussion

From: "Stastny Richard" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:05:00 +0200

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From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:58:51 -0700

Stastny and all

Stastny Richard wrote:

> Mike wrote
>
> >The effect of your statement below (no home GW) is that an ENUM-only number
> >MUST be registered.  There is no opt-in.
>
> [Richard] Correct, if the number is not registered in ENUM, it is not assigend.
> Or to say it in another way: the registration in ENUM IS the assignement,
> (which makes validation N/A ;-)

 This is not a good thing.  It is not because the security and privacy
issues with "Registered Only" ENUM numbers is significant.

>
>
> Richard
>
> At 12:02 PM 4/3/2004 +0200, Stastny Richard wrote:
> >
> >
> >         If you have an ENUM-only number, then the GW needs to know which
> > GW that
> >         number is homed to, and preferably route within the IP domain to
> > that
> >         GW.
> >         [Jim McE] If you have an ENUM-only number, wouldn't the PSTN just
> > route to the nearest ENUM enabled GW where an ENUM dip would be done so
> > the call could be routed to the end device in the IP domain?
> >
> >         [Richard] Yes, there is no such thing as a hone GW.
> >
> >         This is where the carrier ENUM entry would help.
> >
> >         If this ENUM-only belongs to a user (and not associated with a
> > carrier?), I
> >         hope they have an entry in ENUM.  What does it mean to have an
> > ENUM-only
> >         number and to not opt-in?
> >         [Jim McE] I've wondered about this one myself. Is it a valid
> > scenario? Should we worry about it?
> >
> >         [Richard] Thsi is depending on national regulations. I principle
> > you do not need a
> >         Carrier, just a Tier 2 names server and a registrar.
> >
> >         Richard
> >
>
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